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Why Windows Vista (SP1+) is Better Than Windows 7

This entry was posted on Jan 06 2012 by Samuel

You’ve been brainwashed. Brainwashed by clever marketing and the classic underpromise-and-overdeliver strategy employed by Microsoft to fix the mistakes they made with Vista.

I know, I know, everyone told you Vista was bad. You maybe even used Vista pre-SP1, on a “Vista Capable” machine way back when it launched and concluded that it was horrible. Or, maybe you heard all the bad press and skipped on it altogether? Stuck with XP, then switched straight to 7. Is that what you did?

Well, regardless, I am convinced that Vista is the superior operating system. So vastly superior, that I am going out of my way to ensure that it replaces all the systems that I have been tricked into installing Windows 7 on. At work, at home, and for my clients. I am going to make an argument in this article as to why I believe that Vista remains superior.

I challenge someone to list 7 reasons why Windows 7 is better than Windows Vista. Actual reasons. “Features” like Aero Snap, Jump Lists, and the new taskbar do not necessitate an entirely new operating system, so they don’t really count. Those could easily be implemented into Vista, if it were not abandoned in the wake of Windows 7 by the new CEO, Steve Ballmer. So, we begin with a mini history lesson:

Windows Vista was a major disaster. Microsoft suffered from heavily over promising on features (remember WinFS?) and failing to live up to their own hype; and they really hyped it up. Naturally, normal people don’t care or know when a new Microsoft operating system is launched, but the tech community does. So, to over-promise and under deliver, and miss your self-imposed deadlines again and again, the disappointment becomes palpable.

At the time, 64-bit processors were becoming more ubiquitous, and Windows XP 64-bit Edition had a plethora of issues with drivers and was not widely adopted — so they were under immense pressure to release the OS.

Vista Beta 2 came out in 2006, and it was an absolute disaster. If you looked at it funny, or moved the mouse too quickly, it would crash. It was completely unusable, but Microsoft insisted that it was intentional, and that they were planning to fix all of the bugs at once, at the end, prior to RTM. They did, although there was still the issues of heavy disk I/O in the final RTM as well as a large number of driver issues in the final versions.

Much of the problems with Vista stemmed from an overzealous Search Indexer, incomplete drivers from third party manufacturers, UAC, and underpowered systems. RAM was still moderately expensive at the time, and Vista did not work very well with only 1GB, which was common on low-end systems.

After Beta 2, Microsoft shipped release candidate versions and finally the RTM. They continued to fix all of the issues rapidly, releasing patch after patch. All the while, Vista was hammered in the press, blogs and forums repeatedly for problems stemming from the aforementioned.

This negative press was not without merit. Vista was truly very slow, and despite the improvements, they felt minor in the face of a computer that was so severely hampered. Especially when the computer was branded as: Vista Capable.

Finally, with Vista Service Pack 1 (2/2008), the operating system became relatively stable, and performance was drastically improved. However, plagued by the hasty launch, not enough enticing features over XP, and an insipid ad campaign (“the wow starts now“), there were very few who gave it a second review.

Microsoft later attempted to “prove” that they had fixed Vista with the Mojave Experiment, in which they secretly video taped people who had heard that Vista was bad, and had them interact with a supposed “new” operating system codenamed “Mojave.” Evidently, over 90% of the participants thought it was great and an improvement over XP and/or Vista, and expressed shock/surprise when informed that they were actually using regular ‘ol Windows Vista. Of course, bias is to be expected.

After the release of Service Pack 2 (4/2008) and subsequent updates, performance continued to improve and was on par, or superior to that of Windows 7. None of this ever made it to the press because Windows 7 was under-hyped, under-promised and over-delivered by releasing early, since Microsoft learned their lessons with Vista. Moreover, Microsoft’s “I’m a PC” ad-campaign for 7 was well executed.

So, what’s wrong with Windows 7? Why have I become so negative about it? Here’s 7 reasons why I think Windows 7 is a downgrade from Windows Vista (asterisks denote a subjective comment):

1. Windows 7 removes features

What’s missing? Well, where’d the QuickLaunch go? Oh, right, it got consumed into the massive start menu. Where’d the Show Desktop icon go? Moved, to the right hand side (this drives a lot of people batty, believe it or not). Windows Mail, Photo Gallery, Movie Maker, DreamScene, just to name a few, no longer come with the OS, they have to be downloaded manually with “Windows Live Essentials” (except for DreamScene, which is totally gone…why?!) — this is not an improvement by any means, just gives the illusion of “less bloat.” But don’t worry, you can put the QuickLaunch and Show Desktop button back — it’s just not exactly all that easy to do.

2. All system tray icons are hidden by default

Is this a problem? I think it is. Microsoft’s attempt to unclutter the taskbar by hiding all third party systemtray icons is a nuisance. How many times have you had to try to explain to someone to “click the little arrow to the left” over the phone to a client, family member, or friend? Hiding all systemtray icons does little in the way of solving the “problem” of the systemtray. As a result, I often find myself just showing all icons on the systems I administer and repair.

3. Libraries

After much annoyance, I finally get libraries. I understand why they exist. I even think it’s a semi-cool idea … but it doesn’t work. Try and copy the path of a file you’re looking at within a Windows 7 Library into another Explorer dialog box. Go ahead. I’ll wait. What’s that? You can’t?

Well that’s aggravating because everytime you click a shortcut like Music on your start menu, it takes you to the music Library, even if you just have one Music folder! Can you replace the shortcut on the Start menu to go directly to your Music folder? No. You cannot. I won’t add a separate section, but HomeGroups annoy me in a similar fashion. I’m sure they’re great for some people — but in general, I just get a lot of “what’s homegroup?!” from people trying to do very basic filesharing across their networks.

4. Windows Media Player 12

Have you used Windows Media Player 11? It’s pretty simple to use. Yes, the defaults are still annoying, but the interface is vastly superior. Try it yourself. Use WMP 11 and then switch over to v.12 which comes with 7 and see which makes more sense to you. The illogical layout of the software is mind boggling to me. This isn’t exactly a Windows 7 issue per se, but since Microsoft made a specific decision to remove WMP 11, I find it worth mentioning. Also, it looks like you can fix it here.

5. Search

This, for me, is the real trouble with Windows 7. In Windows XP, you can download the optional search indexer from Windows Update. Its heyday was really with the search add-on version 2.0, which was an extremely precise search indexer that you could control with a decent amount of precision. In Vista, Microsoft took it to the next level by deeply integrating the indexer and the UI throughout the operating system. Vista’s search solution, once the Indexer was optimized with SP1+, is very powerful and incredibly easy to fine tune. Observe the control you can exert over your search in Vista:

Now, let’s juxtapose this with Windows 7’s search “improvements”:

So, here is what I can’t do with Windows 7’s search:

Force a search in a non-indexed, or partially indexed location. So, let’s say you just added a folder and want to do a quick search in Windows 7… you can’t, because the indexer hasn’t caught up, and you cannot force the indexer to start on command. So you’re screwed. This is a constant problem that I run into all the damn time.

– Change the search path without first performing a search, and then scrolling to the very bottom of the search results. Who was the genius who designed this?

– Perform complex filters quickly. In 7, I have to use that awkward drop-down menu to manually select each filter, and then scroll back to the left to change my search parameters. This is incredibly cumbersome and unintuitive. Totally fails the grandma test. In Vista, if I want to find a song, I just type one word of the song and then click the “Music” button and bam — it appears immediately.

– Inconsistent search-related glitches (see also Bugs, #6, below) which for whatever reason cause known search results not to materialize. Video evidence of this that I documented is here, on a fully patched, legally licensed, MSDN version of Windows 7 Ultimate. I’m not the only one complaining, either. This is a real problem that simply didn’t exist before 7.

– Oh, and see how the text becomes blue in the search box once I type the word “in”? Well that’s because Windows 7 thinks that I am using a search “operator,” and thus it is not returning any results. If I type the exact same search query into Vista’s search box, it would return results. In order for me to make 7 search for the word “in” I have to put it in quotes in order to “tell” 7 to search it, and not to use it as an operator. Do you think your clients are going to figure that out? I doubt it.

6. Bugs that never get fixed

Microsoft has the capability to fix problems. They proved that with Vista. In my years with Vista, I observed Microsoft fix the operating system relatively quickly. Each problem slowly disappeared, and by the time SP2 hit, nearly everything that was a concern vanished. Yet somehow, that isn’t happening with Windows 7. My biggest #1 problem with Windows 7 is the Explorer refreshing bug.

Have a look at that link. You’ll find that this is a bug that has persisted throughout every single version of Windows 7, and despite innumerable complaints, it isn’t fixed. Windows 7 launched in 2009, and it is now 2012 — it remains unfixed, and inconsistent. I have lost track of how many times I have had to explain to clients that the reason why the file that they saved to the desktop/folder isn’t appearing is because it sometimes won’t refresh automatically and that they have to right click and hit refresh or press F5. Of course, F5 won’t work on Microsoft keyboards because you have to first press F-Lock to enable standard keyboard behavior. This is aggravating, and Microsoft appears unable or unwilling to fix bugs of this magnitude, despite their brilliant engineers on staff.

Other bugs are equally frustrating. For example, after installing a completely legal MSDN version of Windows 7 Ultimate, with keys from Microsoft, activated and operating for a few months, Microsoft released an optional hotfix to determine if your specific instance of Windows had been illegally activated. Since mine were not, I installed the patch on a couple systems that I had running at the time. After restarting, they were flagged as counterfeit copies. After calling, Microsoft double checked the keys and could not determine why they were being flagged as counterfeit. So, I had to manually remove the hotfix to get my legal copies of Windows 7 working normally again. Moreover, I then had to set all the computers to not automatically download updates because with Windows 7, you are forced to install downloaded updates when shutting down. You cannot bypass it as you could in Vista. This “problem” resulted in my having to unplug the systems that had downloaded the updates so that they wouldn’t install the broken hotfix.

There are of course many more, but those two are what come to mind.

7. Taskbar & Explorer changes

The Windows 7 taskbar is subjective. Some people like it just fine, and some detest it. I fall in the middle. I find the auto-grouping to look nice, but irritating as it slows me down. I find the missing quicklaunch, and the auto-hidden systemtray icons problematic, but we’ve already discussed that.

The “Lock” button on the start menu is missing in 7. It is now located under the “>” arrow to the right of Shut down. There’s no particular reason for this change that I can see. The “change view” button is unintuitively* located on the right side of the Explorer window, rather than on the left as in Vista. No reason I can think of as to why this was changed, and there’s no ability to customize it.

The Windows Calendar is gone from Windows 7. It came with Vista, but they removed it — but you can go out of your way and download it with Windows Live Essentials.

AeroShake. Arguably, AeroPeek and AeroSnap are useful, but AeroShake simply hides all background windows when you “shake” a foreground window. This often happens to me by mistake, and I find it irritating. It can be disabled, but it’s too technical for your average user. Moreover, why are these features OS specific? They could easily be appended to Vista, but Microsoft chooses to make them 7-only, as if they are a reason to “upgrade” your operating system (kinda like Siri on the 4S).

More importantly, sortable column headings only appear in Details view, now. There is no way to change this back.

The bottom line is: where’s the upgrade? All I am seeing here are minor changes, missing features, screwed up search, bugs that never get fixed, and other annoyances. Why on earth is this operating system still being priased so much over Vista?

I’d like to see 7 reasons why Windows 7 is an improvement over Vista (SP2).

admin@variableghz.com

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91 Responses to “Why Windows Vista (SP1+) is Better Than Windows 7”

  1. Long live Windows Vista!

    This article is amazing! My only complaint is that it isn’t longer.
    Finally, someone who feels the same way I do…
    You forgot to mention that the classic version of the Start Menu is not included in Windows 7. Thanks for giving your consumers the choice of preference, Microsoft.
    I could actually list a couple of reasons myself why I think Vista is better than Windows 7.

    Seriously, I’d pay you to write more! This is exactly what I was looking for.


  2. Ian — thank you for your kind words. I wasn’t sure what to write to make it longer, for, you see, the issues I have with Windows 7 aren’t necessarily specific. Mostly, I just feel as though there’s no tangible improvement over Vista. The whole operating system *feels* less like Windows, and more like an incomplete, experimental beta of some sort. Moreover, there’s silly things that I like more about Vista, like the Ultimate Strands (featured in the picture up top) — I think they look fantastic and far more creative than the hummingbird “energy” theme for 7. I would be very curious about what else you might add to my list in this article. If you are so inclined, please share!


  3. I totally agree and I’ve thought this since before Windows 7 was released, the most obvious thing when I first tried Windows 7 was that stutter with Aero when opening and closing Windows, it just isn’t as smooth as on Vista. Microsoft are aware of it and have done nothing about it.


  4. You guys seem so disappointed about 7, don’t be, just keep on using Vista…actually I prefer a Windows version way before Vista, so I don’t care about Microsoft’s arrogance at all. I consider other os as well, but there’s not enough software for them.

    Let Microsoft’s sales sink, that’s about all Balmer’s IQ can understand.


  5. Which OS do you prefer? My issue with 7 is that other professionals tend to blindly express their admiration for the OS, while shunning Vista, without being able to provide a single tangible example as to why it is better. I am happy to have my opinion changed if someone can show me improvements — not stripped out features and bugs.


  6. greta article. looks like both win 7 and vista (at least at the time it was released) are half baked OS with a pretty mask.
    we just upgarded 60 stations to win7 and i keep finding out how win7 is hard to handle as a tech support. burned 3 days so far on offline files issues. it was so simple in xp….what about the “repair network” option?


  7. Sorry to hear about your issues with 7. It is indeed a chore to handle from a tech support perspective. I found the Offline Files to be so incredible broken and disastrous that I wrote an article under separate cover about just that:

    Repair network — you’ll have to do that via the commandline using IPCONFIG. It’s way easier than trying to use the GUI. Trust me!


  8. My pleasure, Samuel.
    Please forgive me if my comment appears to be fragmented.

    Here are some of my thoughts.

    – The classic Start Menu is not included. One should have a choice…
    – One cannot remove the “Show Desktop” icon in the notification area. It’s very bothersome when using the Classic theme.
    – Translucency in maximized windows and the taskbar cannot be turned opaque if desired.

    The taskbar is described as being new, yet it mostly implements features available in previous versions of Windows. In Windows 7, the default size changed, and the aforementioned “Show Desktop” icon was moved to the notification area. Quick Launch was removed. The only new feature is the ability to pin to the taskbar… (one can mostly achieve the same effect by placing programs in their Quick Launch toolbar).

    – The size of the taskbar can be changed in most versions of Windows.
    – Quick Launch had the “Show Desktop” icon by default, so moving it into the notification area is not a new feature.
    – I did not list translucency as a “new” feature because Windows Vista also had it in the taskbar.

    – Aero Snap is essentially just a fancy way to “tile windows vertically”, yet it is touted as a completely new feature.
    On a side-note, can Aero Snap “tile windows horizontally”? No.

    I apologize for the long comment. I was hoping that some Windows Vista user(s) would see this and reconsider “upgrading” to Windows 7.

    Thank you again!!


  9. Wow!, finally found others who feel the same way I do about this lousy Windows 7. The whole experience on 7 is a feeling of “out of control”. I am using Enterprise sp1. First of all anyone who knows anything about pc’s knows Vista tuned up is just as fast as Windows 7.
    I have spent days trying to get the taskbar the way I like it but it sucks! For 14 years we are used to quick launch, show desktop on the bottom left and now show desktop is on the right.Yes, I know I can add quick launch to 7. The taskbar is way too cluttered, three times as many clicks to get anywhere. I find I am doing things out of habit and end up lost. Taskbar icons don’t show what window is in focus, they all have a white sheen. The search function in explorer is total garbage, I use the free Angent Ransack Search. I repair computers for a living , windows 7 gets just as many viruses as any other version. More and more clients are now starting to bail and buy Macs. The masses are suckers for buying this hype!! I have tried 64 bit Windows and that is another hype story , will be years before all the drivers and software is worked out on that. I am staying with Vista Business Edition as I need a stable system to get a lot of work done!!!!! My Vista partion is smooth sailing, boots in under 20 seconds on a Intel Duo Core 2.16 processor, 2 gig of ram. It’s much more intuitive and I don’t have to fight the system!!!!, I have super fetch service turned on and seach indexer off.


  10. I hope you are not angry. I actually forgot what the original topic was about (what else I might add to your list in this article)…
    I wasn’t really trying to sound intelligent in the previous post…I just wanted to avoid looking dumb (you have so many “big words” up there!)

    Um, ah, everything you mentioned is true. I also hate how the “Classic” features were removed. I think it’s more than a coincidence that the Classic Start Menu, Classic Control Panel option, and the Windows Classic theme are all missing from Windows 7 (for no apparent reason besides to give it a “new” feel).

    I apologize for ranting in the previous post, I was not trying to. You have much more experience with Vista and 7 than I do, and I wasn’t trying to point out certain things (even ones that you already mentioned!) I was just hoping that someone would see it.

    And I agree 100%, the Ultimate Strands are much better!!
    Ian.


  11. Ultimate strands are fantastic. In my humble opinion it is the best graphic design work I’ve seen from Microsoft ever before. Presently, I have Vista installed on multiple Crucial M4 SSDs and I am concerned about TRIM support. There is no 100% definitive answer on whether Vista SP2 supports TRIM or not. A senior engineer at Crucial informed me that Vista’s SP2 introduced TRIM support, however, I don’t have any official Microsoft documentation to prove it. So, we’ll see. I am still lookin’.

    Thanks Ian and Dan for your input.


  12. thank you for the article i have been using vista for years i did not care for 7 in the betas or the final retail build. I wish microsoft would release a sp3 for vista including trim support for us if they did id stick to vista id buy a new copy if i had to just to use it 8 is garbage how do you navigate its a nightmare for windows veterans and other people have noticed to the random crashes that 7 does for the most part when vista crashes ive noticed its because you have an actual hardware problem simple solution buy quality products not quantity. Windows media player 12 i like the fact that it actually works it has the codecs but your right the layout sucks however microsoft could easily integrate the codecs into windows media player 12 if they wanted to the only other thing needed for vista is that nice feature 7 has where you can burn the contents of an iso to a disk saving you the time for having to installing third party software eg. imgburn(works fantastically actually) and i love the command prompt in vista i write a whole tone of batch files to get things done quickly great article tho but you forgot to mention the horrible crashes 7 faces lol. Ive talked to other people who have mentioned that too and so they will not use 7 to write programs too unstable. Long Live Vista


  13. I, too, am disappointed with Win7. And why did they get rid of the gadget bar? Now, the gadgets cover everything up. Not being able star rate photos in the photo viewer is something I could do in Vista but now can’t in Win7. I miss Vista. Apple marketing has got Microsoft doing nonsensical things the same way American car companies took great features away from their cars to be more like the German and Japanese companies.


  14. You all are the 1%.


  15. Thank you Miguel, Only about 1% are aware enough to see the sham!!!! I just tried to do some intensive business work on a Win 7 machine. What confusion, click, click,click end up all over the place, it is so basic and intuitive in Win Vista. A good OS is straight forward to be productive. I will say in Win 7 they did speed up start-up and shut down, they they could have turned Vista into the best OS ever but they missed!!! Supermarkets keep changing the food isles to make more money from lost people. They do the same in software, keep making changes for no apparent reason except to keep taking money from the fools!!!!


  16. I’m trying Windows 7 because I upgraded to a SSD (OCZ Agility 3 90GB), and wanted to take advantage from the TRIM command. But I was wary of installing 7 and tried Vista first on the SSD. Everything worked fine and super fast. After a few weeks, I wiped the drive and installed 7. I’d say they are equally fast on the SSD, but there are still buggy things, plus I waste a lot of time just trying to get used to the way the desktop environment was messed. I especially despise the white gloss of the task bar windows, I mean, white sheen over white text? It actually handicaps me, pushing me to use larger fonts so that I can read them without strain. There’s not enough user friendly personalization to its looks.

    What I would have loved to see is more -Classic Views-
    If it’s an option to make it look like Win98, why can’t you choose to make it look like XP? Isn’t it classic enough yet? Desktop visual effects are NOT the OS.

    I know I didn’t give the time for the SSD to actually clutter and benefit from the faster garbage collection that TRIM supposedly provides, but upon reading a lot on the subject lately, the newer SSD’s can manage just fine without TRIM support. I’ll be going back to Vista shortly, because I need to work swiftly.

    Not intended as a hate post, but to send a message to people out there worrying about SSDs on Vista. It works just fine, better invest your time in reading about the different SSD controllers out there (Sandforce, Indilinx, etc…) to find what suits you. Intel provides a feature for their drives to manually perform TRIM-like taks.


  17. yes!!!! windows vista is much much better that windows 7.. i had tried many OS’s like xp, vista, 7, win 8 , ubuntu,… xp is the best..but coming to the newer version’s windows 8 is nice but i jst don’t suppport old pc’s XDDM r not supported, windows 7 run better in new PC’s but not in OLD as microsoft says, but vista it’s just perfect.. i don’t know why everyone says that vista takes lot of resources but it just works fine for me even most of the software r running mor efficiently, cpu usage is better that in windows 7 and xp….


  18. Thank you for this article.
    I have a confession to make. I was one of the people who thought that vista was garbage,
    because of a couple annoyances that I saw early on. UAC for one.
    I never had a machine with vista, so I therefore got very little exposure to it.
    The other thing that vista seemed to be terrible with, is wifi connectivity.
    If I remember correctly, another tech that I was around for a while, told me that all
    the vista sp1 machines on which he worked, had no wifi connectivity problems, but all
    the vista sp2 machines, did.

    I installed win 7 on a business laptop that I recently acquired.
    There are a couple things that are finicky(driver-wise) to which I haven’t yet found a solution.
    The laptop has no support for win 7 from hp, but all the drivers, plus hp software is
    available, via the hp website. So service pack 2 is the way to go A?
    Or will sp1 do fine?
    Whatever the case, looks like I’ll be putting vista on this laptop. Then everything on it will work!


  19. One correction to my previous post. The hp website has vista x64 drivers and software
    for my laptop, but no support for win 7.


  20. You’re right!


  21. uriah,

    You must never consider running an unpatched operating system. Vista with SP2 is currently the latest (plus at least a hundred updates after that). So, running Vista SP1 would be dangerous and put your computer at significant risk for viruses and other malware because of the number of known exploits for unpatched systems.


  22. hi, what a great article, i totally agree, i am using vista and it runs like a sewing machine, after reading this article why would i want to move to windows 7 or 8 for that matter, i think that vista will be the last GOOD COMPLETE system from microsoft.


  23. I am glad there are some people that see the good side of Vista like I do. I bought Vista Home Premium for my “work in progress” gaming computer for $30 on amazon and I have had 0 problems with it since I installed. Windows 7 is very expensive and I did not have the money at the time so I took a chance and did not listen to anybody else’s bad opinions about it. I play lots of computer games on it and they run very nicely. I see no interest in buying Windows 7 because it is basically a reskin of Vista. I see no performance upgrades (other than the faster boot up) in windows 7 over Vista.

    Here are some things I don’t like about 7:
    The taskbar is 2x bigger than Vista’s
    When I click on a window it brings up all of the windows for that application then I have to click on the one I want
    The gadgets bar does not have that cool tinted effect
    The aero shake feature is a pain to use
    The applications are more like icons, no words describing what window it is (like os x)
    I personally like Vista’s aero better than 7’s

    By the way, I really liked reading your article.


  24. just upgraded my gaming pc windows 7 ult today i was just vista ultimate wherreesss weres the classic control panel theres only the half a$$ new one that was allready on vista i used to switch back and forth though functions… i mean you would even use the xp theme on vista… on 7 big bulky clunky and bright! and whats up the flag that makes me think the os is flagged ggrr yeah im swiching screw 7 and screw startup metro 8.. what i liked about vista the most was instant search that i can use in start the only thing about vista was i couldent copy& link adrs intop unless i went through file properties and most of 7 fuctions like snap i arleady had on vista.. also it felt like i had three quarters of xp funtions on vista… but now 7s just gutted version of vista an osx counterfeit.. i quest this is what happeds when bill is not running the show.. and pretty soon without jobs not apple.. i think either android or Linux are going to be the turtles winning the race.. i think i use windows now is for gaming but yet again steam is coming out for linux.. just ubuntu its faster wastes less ram, looks feels like osx with windows twist and all the other free opensource kernels plus theres software on there you pay like 800.00 for on the paid os’s for free in multiple categories like video editing graphic design free office like software.. etc and if you like cmd. that has has has saved most of ours pc from every little damn errior s. that windows and software and virus thoughs at as or and manual software reg.. reboot.. idn that Linux terminal is looking sexy an that linux on both mac and pc. o crap im spacing.. anyways theres a free program that runs like mac doc with the popping icon . its a decent replacement for taskbar.. here http://rocketdock.com/ btw i would of read this article instead of listen 7 fanboy groupies and pi$$ing away over 200 dollers thanx..


  25. Agree! Agree! Agree!

    I’m so happy to see some smart people, that opened their eyes, and don’t let the modern marketing make them fool.

    I even decided to downgrade my Windows 7 to Windows Vista again (I already did it earlier).
    Some futures could be used in Windows 7 (like sites pinning for IE9).
    But I also found a few problems:
    1. Main support stopped for Vista on Apr 2012.
    2. IE10 will not support Vista.
    3. My Flow Scroll (from Logitech) doesn’t support Vista (only 7, and this is weird).

    I also found (like you did), that Windows 7 is just a light version of Vista. And I didn’t find big changes in memory demand (between Vista SP2 and 7 SP1).

    What OS do you use now?


  26. KOT,

    I am using Vista Ultimate x64 on all my systems, presently. Windows 8 is an exercise in frustration with a standard laptop/desktop system. It seems true what danerd said, that Vista will likely be the “last good complete” OS from Microsoft. Naturally, that’s a matter of opinion. My only concern is support for security exploits in the future down the road.


  27. will you upgrade to windows 7 after 2017?


  28. Finally i’ve found article good things about Vista. Thats very true windows 7 doesn’t really works better than Vista because i just downgrade my main desktop back to Vista business edition after using windows 7 for 6 months.

    Since Vista will continue receiving security updates until 2017 so i am keeping my current OS and watching how Windows 8 going to be “market” by Microsoft. :)


  29. I am wondering if you would like to affiliate with a blog of mine dedicated to Windows Vista?

    If not, please let me know. Thank you for your time.


  30. tl;dr. not to the point.


  31. NICE Article….. you know what? I began thinking some time ago to leave 7 and return to vista (as I still can’t play HALO 2) and windows vista is cooler than 7 in themes and and wallpapers


  32. Personally, I don’t have any great problem with Windows 7 but then again I don’t use it day in, day out – I have Vista Ultimate on my main PC. No the thing that really cheeses me off is the way commentators routinely diss Vista as a terrible OS whilst praising Win 7. My experience is that Vista SP2 is a fast stable OS. In fact its so good, I can’t see why I would want to pay money to ‘upgrade’ to Win 7, which is really Vista Mk2. And as with cars, later models aren’t always better than previous models. Mind you nothing is perfect, for example, whoever designed the System Restore dialogue wants a good kicking. Why should I have to wait whilst Vista or Win 7 searches for previous restore points when what I actually want to do is Create a new restore point but I can’t do that until all the old restore points have been found!! And then when a Restore Point has been created, the dialogue asks you to click Ok or Cancel. What does Cancel do, nothing! I think MS do some great stuff but sometimes they do some really ameteurish stuff as well – like why can’t the msconfig dialogue be maximised so you can see the program paths more easily? This has been an issue since XP. Oops sorry, that turned into a bit of a rant ;-)


  33. It’s easy to rant and rant about the oddities of Microsoft.

    Vista is now running as my primary operating system on numerous machines. The improvements over 7 are tangible. Quirks in networking are always isolated to the 7 machines, search related issues are again the fault of the 7 systems — I could go on, but I don’t keep a list anymore after writing this article.

    Thank you, everyone, for reading.


  34. Samuel,

    Thank you for writing this article. I too am a Vista fan and am happy to know there are others like me. I did struggle with the initial release primarily due to driver issues. I used Windows 7 for a while, but I missed the Classic Start Menu, Windows Mail, DreamScenes, etc. Windows 7 just seemed like Vista Light. Several months ago, I decided to give Vista another try and I never looked back. 3DMark11 performance measurements are on par or better than Wndows 7 and Vista is more compaible with older games. I use SSDs and was concerned about the lack of TRIM support in Vista, but Diskeeper 2012 now supports TRIM for SSDs in Vista so that problem is solved. Also, after experimenting with the Windows 8 RC and its terrible and annoying Metro UI, I’ll be using Vista until at least 2017.

    Thanks again!


  35. Virgil,

    I shared your concerns about the lack of TRIM support in Vista. However, I found that the latest version of Diskeeper (2012) will support TRIM in Vista. It is one solution you may wish to consider.


  36. I love Vista so much that I tweaked it so beautifully that it boots up just as fast as Win 7 and is twice as fluid and responsive. It’s true that Vista eats up a little more ram, but that results in a butter smooth experience. My desktop pops up so fast it doesn’t have time to show the welcome text thing :)) Everything loads faster on my Vista machine and I get crazy FPS in games. I used to run Skyrim on Win7 and I thought my pc wasn’t as fast as it should to run the game at butter smooth FPS. Then I loaded it on Vista and I couldn’t believe my eyes. I’ve used Vista for many years in the past, then I had to switch to win7 because 3dsmax 2012 didn’t work on it at first. Now I switched back and I’m the happiest person on the planet.

    I have Intel Core i7 920 1366
    12gb ddr3 1600mhz RAM
    GTX 570 Nvidia
    HDD is Samsung 750GB 7200, 32mb or something like that.
    I made this config and specifically chose the 1366 platform a few years ago for 3d and 2d work. I don’t believe in overclocking, so I run everything at stock frequencies. I undervolt my i7 to just a little over 1.0v to lower temps and increase the lifespan. It runs stable and cool.

    The MAIN reason I love Vista is that I NEVER got a BSOD on it EVER. Within the first 10 minutes after I loaded Win 7 both on my Desktop and my newer Dell n7110 i7 laptop(which aparently only supports Win7 because Vista doesn’t detect its graphics card) I got BSOD for whatever reason.

    Win7 is indeed a sort of stripped down version of Vista and it runs great on regular machines….but in my opinion strong configurations are not running at their peak performance on win7 and I have two i7 machines to support my claim. I used to work as a tech supprt guy and did troubleshooting on xp vista and win7 for a long time, so even considering the “hardware + windows” hit & miss factor I would still chose Vista over win7 any day.

    One thing that really bugs me on win7 more than anything is it’s networking. I constantly get ip conflict notifications on win7, it detects the same network each time I start the computer and lists it as a new one..in short..it’s a mess even with all the latest updates and fixes. Internet connectivity issues are something normal for me on win7 even with a perfect physical connection. God forbid I reset the tcp/ip stack or anything like that because chances are I’ll lose my connection to the internet altogether I don’t have these problems on Vista.

    Too bad Microsoft is now messing up again with this win8 of theirs. I say good luck to them trying to sell that to desktop users.


  37. Vista is way more quieter then windows 7. Which means less fan noise, more concentration, better productivity.


  38. I have Vista on my laptop, a 3ghz celeron with 3gb ram and it constantly swaps to disk and runs like a bag of shite. I’m an IT engineer so am pretty clued up when it comes to disabling processes and start up programs.

    I will admit Vista is now very stable thanks to all the patches but it is still painfully slow compared to XP.

    Microsoft needs to release a “light” operating system for us users who don’t need a bloated os, just basic features on a par with XP but with support for newer hardware. I can’t believe they haven’t caught onto this market.

    Dropping XP was a big mistake in my opinion as they turned their backs on many users from emerging economies who can’t afford new hardware, it’s a free meal ticket for linux. Vista does not run on old hardware, it runs but it’s unusable.


  39. Lee, go into services and disable Windows Search. Download the free Agent Ransack Search Utility, it’s simple fast and works like the old XP search. All the swapping of the disk will stop and the system will speed up amazingly!! GL


  40. hah thanks for validating my lack of desire to pay for a new OS for my new PC. i’m just going to use my old CD key on my new PC.


  41. Sorry to post here again, but I wanted to point out some more things.

    – In Windows Vista, one can customize the Control Panel with seven different icon modes, and can group by category or name.

    – One is not forced to use the new Start menu, though there is Classic Shell for Windows 7.

    – There is no “Never Combine” taskbar stupidity in Windows Vista.

    – You can turn off Auto-Arrange and Align to Grid in Windows Explorer. In 7, this is only possible on the desktop.

    – A MUCH better version of Windows Defender is present in Windows Vista; it includes 9 real-time protection agents, in contrast, the version in Windows 7 only provides 2. Vista’s also includes the Software Explorer.

    – Web Filtering and Activity Reporting is no longer available in the Parental Controls feature.

    – The saved searches in Windows Vista are no longer available in Windows 7.
    (all of this was posted for people who might not know. I’m sure you know).

    And, ah, in the case that you have to use Windows 7, Samuel, I learned something last night… You can shut down without installing updates, though it isn’t obvious.
    Press Alt+F4 to open the classic ‘Shutdown Windows’ dialog box. From there, use the “Shut Down” option instead of “Install Updates and Shut Down”.
    This turns off the computer without installing.

    Thank you again for the article, sir. It is *always* a pleasure to read…


  42. I just bought a new Gateway Dual Core with Windows 8 and I HATE Windows 8 with a passion!

    The Metro crap is just kid fodder and sucks and is always looming in the background like some creepy uncle. Oh and 8 is always freezing up. No Start menu button folks in 8. I had to add one from off the internet and it still wasn’t as good as the Vista one. I got rid of 8 and put Vista on it and the new computer flies with Vista, including fast startups and shutdowns. My favorite os was XP but it is getting too old now and it was a trusted companion for years and I do miss it, but now with all the patches and fixes, Vista works well and is solid and stable.

    I will NEVER go back to 8 like it is. They really screwed themselves big time! I suggest they rehire the old XP code writers and make a solid fast new os off the old XP. I am very happy with Vista though and will keep it.

    Oh and if anyone is wondering about getting Windows 8, let me tell you the fonts suck in Metro and are hard to read and almost none of my old games work in 8 despite the “compatibility” options that never work. It always refers to apps and not software and it refers to tapping instead of clicking i.e. “Tap this to open.”. It is geared toward lugheads who only use baby tablets and not a desktop. You know those annoying wannabes who need crayons and fingers to use the computer and not a mouse.

    All my games play in Vista and XP. Remember Command and Conquer, forget about in 8. Oh and try searching for files in 8’s Window files. It is like looking for a person in China. There are about a million files in there, mostly worthless. No thanks. I am sticking with Vista.


  43. Finaly one more people have same idea with me :D
    in the first place i used windows 7
    it’s not so bad
    but some time i got crashed,error,etc
    that i tried to install windows vista SP2

    but
    this is awesome
    very fast,durable,no more crash,blue screen,etc
    microsoft realy give improvements
    so i using windows vista until now

    here is my experience:

    1.i’ve hear some review that said windows vista system almost 100% new,is different than XP (i think windows 7 just vista with some mods)
    2. windows vista is realy great on gaming (far better than 7,i’ve tested it with several games and the result is vista is always batter than 7)
    3.Amazing views (i think it’s cooler than 7 and far batter than XP)
    4.vista have great security system (some people said, vista have the greatest security among all windows version)

    here is some comparison with other windows based on my experience with same machine (i’d mot adding Xp because i forgot how it feel):
    My spesification is not so bad:
    Dual-core 2,0Ghz
    Ram 3Gb ddr2
    VGA Intel chipset mobile 4 256mb

    start-up:
    vista : it’s need less than 30 secong (amazing for old windows,even XP lost to it)
    7 : it’s have long start-up approximately 40 second
    8 : 6,7 second (when using hybrid mode) and more than 2 minutes (hybrid mode deactivate)

    Gaming (i tried Left4Dead 2):
    Vista : i could play it with full screen resolution,medium grapich and effect (when i used game booster,i even can play with high grapich)
    7 : i just can play it with 800×600 resoluion,low graphic and effect (i have use gabe booster to it and it’s still poor)
    8 : i even can’t use it for gaming (got boue screen)

    when i’m using windows 8 milestone
    something make me shocking,
    I found that windows 8 is actualy build from windows Vista (not from windows7)
    then my friend told me,even now windows 8 has reach RTM phase,
    if some driver fails to install it will say “this driver can not be use in windows vista”
    so there is some proof that windows 8 is build from windows vista

    why vista is have bad testimonial back there?,
    because they use old computer,
    old,very old,too old,
    that’s why they can’t feel the real vista

    and why people think windows 7 is more realiable?
    just because windows 7 born in time where the most of computer hardware is developed.

    the problem is just wrong release time,
    vista release when people not ready for it (people doesn’t have enough computer requirement)
    i believe if windows vista release it the windows 7 time,
    it will be great

    at least the lucky one is windows 8
    it’s born when most of computer does have high performance


  44. I hate Windows 7!!!! I really like Vista though! I started using Vista in ’08. In Win7, you can not sort files or manually move them around! That pisses me off!!! If you right click in a folder in Win7, there are options to sort, but they are not the same as in Vista. I don’t like how you can’t open multiple Internet Explorer windows at once in Win7. You can open multiple tabs, but that’s not the same as multiple Internet Explorer windows. With multiple windows open, you can hit alt-tab to move to different windows. I usually have 30+ separate windows open in Vista and the tabs on the task bar allow me to move between them easily. Win7 doesn’t show tabs on the task bar. The show desktop icon is not in the same spot as in vista. I do use that. I know the shortcut for that, so that is not as significant for it not to be there. It is windows key plus the M key.


  45. Oh, another reason I hate Windows 7: I transfered files from my external hard drive that were from my desktop running Vista to my laptop running Win7. The files were all organized in the external hard drive in folders. I transferred them to my Win7 laptop to a specific folder I created for the transfer. It was multiple gigabytes of files. When I looked at the transfer in Win7, files were out of their folders and all mingled together with other files from different folders, and it was a total mess! So I have 1,900 plus files that are all out of their folder and mingled together. Also after the transfer, in the Win7 folder, it created a whole bunch of files that were not on my external hard drive called “padding_file, if you see this file, please upgrade to BitComet .85 or above”. That pissed me off having all those files out of their folders and mingled all together!!!


  46. At last, I understand :)

    I went through a period where I was (more or less) completely away from computers, at least at home. When I got back into the game, it was Dec ’08, and was with an HP Pavilion dual-core that had Vista SP2 installed.

    As a result, my sole experience with Vista has been with SP2 ( i.e. nothing prior ) and, to jump ahead a moment, after that I of course did what I always do with any new gadget – customize the pants out of it – and turned it into one sleek, stable, ultrapersonalized desktop PC.

    My first words at the top of this post refer to the fact that I spent that entire post-2008 time in a state of gradually increasing disbelief, as I kept hearing from all directions, on the net and live in person, what a goof Vista was for Microsoft. What a mistake … OH MY GOD did they ever screw it up. What were they thinking? Etc, etc, etc.

    So, like, in 2009 I only had a couple of question marks floating above my head everywhere I went, but by 2011 it was more like a dozen ( some of those even had exclamation points attached to them ), as I wondered if (a) I was retarded, (b) everyone I was hearing this from was retarded, (c) I was the subject of a years-long hidden-camera practical joke, with everyone waiting to see how long it would take me to catch on, or maybe even (d) I had accidentally slipped into some kind of satanic bizzaro world, where up was down, black was white … and really fine operating systems were unanimously badly spoken of by the inhabitants.

    So for years I’ve been walking around confused, until I finally stumbled on this article and can finally put the matter to rest. I will get a good night’s sleep tonight knowing once and for all that the answer was the unforseen fifth choice: (e) yes it sucked in ’06 when it was first released, but a *LOT* less after SP1 and virtually not at all after SP2, but I’ll keep hearing it does from the majority forever because of a combination of Microsoft’s marketing tactics and the tendency of the masses to parrot whatever they hear like parr… er, like sheep without finding/analyzing/concluding/just learning the truth FOR THEMSELVES.

    Thankfully, I’m just stubborn and stuck it out because I didn’t see any reason to switch and I too didn’t like the Win 7 interface from the start when I finally had a chance to see it and use it on another computer.

    So here I am … in 2013 … still using Vista :) Only, I should probably think about upgrading this faithful old HP Pavilion dual-core, circa 2008, for something a bit flashier. Which will undoubtedly come with Windows 8 of course :)

    Mike M. in Montreal


  47. Mike,

    Thank you for your thorough analysis. It is confusing to be in the position you were in and I am glad to have provided you the necessary history to fully understand what happened. Windows 8, you’ll find, is much worse than anything Microsoft ever did with Windows 7, unfortunately — it is *so* horribly broken that you will find yourself downgrading no matter the cost. More on that to come in my upcoming articles.


  48. People actually used Quick Launch? Ever heard of shortcut keys?

    TRIM support to make your SSDs not die an untimely death? It isn’t in Vista SP2.

    Better RAM utilization…better search…better UAC….better just about everything…

    Are you sure you were using Windows 7? Are you sure you’ve even used a computer before?

    Windows 8 isn’t bad either other than the goofy Metro UI. Disable it with Classic Shell and you’ve got an OS that’s even better than 7.


  49. I installed a 32 bit version of Windows Vista Basic and boy is it up and running from the first millisecond it starts…This caused me to do a google search for Vista and 7 and I came to this article…Thank You so much for giving information of the background of these operating systems…Windows 7 (64 bit or 32 bit), in my opinion, is still safer to use than Vista-safe in security and performance…where Vista is superior in the sense that it seems to directly-no compromisingly do whatever you ask it to do…I highly recommend Vista on a capable machine and person ;) while 7 can is widely appealing and easier to adopt for everyone.

    Thanks again for the article.


  50. “I highly recommend Vista on a capable machine and person…”

    I wish I’d said that :) Well put, and thx for providing me with my new and future response to one of the sheeple when they inevitably say Vista is baaaaaaaaa-d…;)


  51. Ryan — Yes, I am quite sure I have used a computer before. Are you sure you read my article? Please re-read the section on Search and try to give me a reason for why you think Search has improved. I wrote the article to refute exactly what you’ve said. Please provide citations.

    fizike1 – You are very welcome.

    Michael King – You are also very welcome. It’s nice to be able to provide a citation, and I am pleased to provide them.


  52. Also — with respect to Classic Shell. The “Metro UI” is not just a minor inconvenience, it is a catastrophe. The *average* computer user will never install Classic Shell, they will suffer with Metro/Explorer weirdness and wonder why computing has gotten so much worse. See my latest article for more information.


  53. I think Ryan must be high or just not very bright. Vista search blows 7 away. Vista is a much smaller foot print and very fast. As far as ssd, it’s advised to always use the manufacturers garbage collection utility as the OS (7 or8) trim can’t always be trusted in comparison to what the manufacturer program can do. I now use 7 on one partition more than Vista only for the reason that the damn computer wakes from sleep much faster than Vista, that always was a bug in Vista. Win 8 is another whole story, a nightmare, it’s a failure. It’s not worth my time to explain it, it will be gone soon!!!


  54. Hi I completely agree with all your points and because I read this i have installed vista ultimate and 7 ultimate on the same computer.

    windows vista ultimate experience

    I found that vista was easier to use and was faster than windows 7 (once I put service pack one and then two on it) and the design was better and sleeker than when I had windows 7 installed I also love the task bar and the quick launch and im glad that they got rid of the “my” in front of every thing and it runs so much smoother than win 7 did.

    windows 7 ultimate experience

    When i ran windows 7 on my computer it was bad it lagged and crashed ( 3 times when trying to install 2 when on the internet)and windows aero got 1.1 int the index thing it took so long to boot and was slow hate the new task bar and the file search they added the “my” thing back and put the show desktop icon in the right corner and the huge task bar was anoying and the quick launch is gone :( the icons are messed up and what the heck is libarys and why did the change the shut off button

    Over all I think im staying with vista untill windows 9 comes out or something beacuse windows 7-8 are just plain bad (not to be mean to 7 lovers)

    my computer specs

    dell dimension 3000
    intel pentium 4 3.00 GHz
    2 gigs of ram
    GeForce 8400 GS
    DirectX 10.1


  55. This has been an incredibly interesting read …. and as others expressed, just what I was looking for by way of a Google search. Thanks so much for your post Samuel and to all the comments. It saved me from upgrading my HP DV9680 to Windows 7. I’ll stick with Vista Home Premium and see how it works, now that the gpu has been repaired on the motherboard.

    I gotta admit that, I too, had a bad impression about Vista … for the same reasons as others posted about the early release, low power and memory problems. But the more I use it, the more I like it! I’m only running a 1gb of memory, with more on order. Even with that, Vista seems to perform pretty well on this AMD duo core 1.9GHz laptop.

    I haven’t tried this yet because of memory constraints, but I’m hoping the “virtual machine” aspect for running Windows XP will work out, I’ll know very soon now.

    Wish you all the best in staying with Vista as long as you can. By the way, I still have one “old” machine running Windows 98 so I can play “Mist”! LOL


  56. You want 7 reasons? I’ll do my best to limit my response to 7.

    1. UI Customization – Slideshow backgrounds, improved start menu customization (can’t add Downloads to Vista start menu, why? I download things), downloadable visual themes are nice too. I just wish they added more screensavers.
    2. Taskbar/System Tray – Network status icon in Vista is pathetic. The little “globe” that appears whenever it wants to is so nondescript. 7 gives you wireless connection strength at a glance, and a red X is easy to understand, even for the most uneducated of end users. Hiding icons is nothing new. XP did the same thing, and I have to tell customers/clients to “click the little arrow” all the time, no matter what. It reduces clutter, and Windows 7 makes it easier to change the settings on which notifications appear in the tray. Action Center is a nice added feature, too.
    3. Quick launch? Nobody uses that anymore. For one, unless you expand it to take over half of the taskbar, it hides most of your programs, and adds an extra step to open them. It was replaced, logically, by the Pin Program to Start Menu feature that works way better. I often install Rocketdock anyway, which mimics the one feature of Mac OS that I love, to dock application shortcuts.
    4. Windows Media Player . . . Sucks and always has. VLC FTW. That’s a wash.
    5. When Vista gets corrupted, it is GONE. No fix, just backup and reinstall. Windows Update nickels and dimes you all the way through the process, and they bomb and fail way more than Windows 7 updates. In-place Upgrade works sometimes, after uninstalling PowerShell for THE MILLIONTH GODDAMN TIME!!!!! but when you encounter a Vista System that is pre-SP1, and Windows Update isn’t working, it takes less time to back up user data, reinstall from an SP2 disc, and restore everything than it does to repair the system as-is. Windows 7 is repairable 90% of the time. You can manually install an update or two, restore and clean up the system without blowing it all away and starting over. That’s the main improvement, the ability for the OS to repair itself. Vista was unfinished, and by the time it was finished, it was too late.
    6. User Account Control – You can disable it in Vista, but then you have Security Center with the pissy little red shield all the time, unless you mod the registry or turn off notifications altogether, which is not a good thing. Win7 lets you disable UAC, turn off notifications, only for that portion, and still receive messages about your antivirus, updates, and driver/program issues. Win7 also adds the option to ‘not dim the desktop’ for UAC notifications, which I prefer as a happy medium.
    7. Vista is due to reach end of support in 2016/2017. It’s already a 7-year-old OS, and will go bye-bye soon enough. It took them 2-3 years to get it right, so it really only had a 2-year useful life cycle before Win7 took over. That’s pathetic in itself.

    Does anybody else notice that Vista seems to destroy hardware, too? I get more Vista machines with bad hard drives than any other OS. It just seems to churn when starting up, shutting down, and checking for updates. It doesn’t end processes when you tell it to, and locks up frequently. Vista was a half-assed, rushed attempt at a new OS, and that’s exactly what it remains.


  57. As long as you don’t run shady executibles , Vista can be used without an antivirus program. It really is that secure. Great OS.


  58. Mike (commentator on Jun 2, 2013),

    You are so wrong in so many ways. I’ll make an article explaining why, soon.


  59. What a great article was pushed out. I’d like the fact a lot that there’s so many fans of Vista OS out there. I’m kind of a man who always tries something new to finf out if there are really better and I’ve been trying both version of Win7’s Prof 32 and 64 bits (free academic) on my XPS M1530 despite to date there are no special drivers for 7 but all Vista work find (downloaded from Dell web). I tried so hard to stick with 7 for months swapping around back and forw my disk images for Vista and 7’s mostly bacause of games and usually web/home usege but I couldn’t find any pros things that 7 has over Vista. Even some games like Diablo3 and FIFA11/12 run much smoother on Vista than 7. After SP2 for Vista I cannot see any reason in moving to 7/8. Maybe we (vista users) will need to consider to move to later OS after 2017 but will see.
    Please can anyone correct me if I’m wrong but I think M’soft stopped providing updates for Vista Ultimate any more. At least I haven’t seen any updates for Vista Ult since really long time.


  60. BLA BLA BLA I DON’T CARE WHAT THEY AT WINDOWS 7 BUT ITS BEST OS BEYOND ALL WINDOWS OSES AND FUCK THIS ARTICLE WHY U NEED TO ACCESS MUSIC FOLDER FROM YOUR START MENU AND WINDOWS SEARCH IS BETTER AND WINDOWS EXPLORER IN 7 NEVER HAD BUGS AND COCKROACHES
    AND WHAT’S THE PROBLEM IF THEY REMOVED WINDOWS FEATURES AND APPLIED SOME CHANGES ON TASKBAR AND EXPLORER CHANGES AND YES WINDOWS LIVE ESSENTIALS BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE DON’T LIKE WINDOWS LIVE AND BULLSHIT HOTMAIL BUT THEY LOVE YAHOO AND GOOGLE LIKE I DO AND THANK YOU FOR NOT WRITING ON WINDOWS MEDIA CENTER BECAUSE IN VISTA YOU CAN’T FOR E.G SWITCH A MOVIE OR VIDEO FOR E.G FROM 0:04 TO 15:00 MIN IN WINDOWS MEDIA CENTER AND WHO CARES ABOUT WINDOWS DVD MAKER AND MOVIE MAKER and in Vista you can’t remove unwanted windows features like windows DVD maker and windows fax and printer WTF seriously Windows XP is nothing and its light but Windows 7 got it all and beats it all So **** Vista and respect XP http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/windows-compared-windows-7-vs-vista-vs-xp-615167/6#articleContent VISTA SUCKS IN PERFORMANCE/NETWORKING/SECURITY/GAMING/MOBILITY/ENTERTAINMENT/RELIABILITY AND CONCLUSION AND BENCHMARKS


  61. ALSO WINDOWS 7 NEVER HAD A VIRUS/TORJON/MALWARE AND ETC


  62. THAT’S RIGHT!!


  63. HOW MANY TIMES DID VISTA CRASHED CUZ OF DRIVERS AND VIRUSES AND SECURITY GARBAGE AND ETC?


  64. If you people think Windows 7 is bad then just see what W8 is made of !

    Though i still have the refreshing problem in 2013 WTF ?


  65. Hey.. Good article and I think like you, Windows Vista does all the task that users needs.. After SP2, finally was the operation system that Microsoft wanted it to be since it was launched.. But as you said, then came windows 7.. And 7 had to be sold!


  66. I agree 100 % with this post, Windows Vista is is by FAR better than Windows 7 (a.k.a stripped down Vista). I just can’t see how blind people are to not realize that Windows 7 is nothing more than Vista with a new name. I love Vista, and it far superior to Windows. There are so many great things about it, the theme alone is a good reason to use it :P
    Anyways, good post. Finally someone who feels the same way I do.
    ~Ryan


  67. I realise that vista is meant to be good now but when you had a pre SP1 copy and were forced to ‘downgrade’ to XP because it repeatedly froze, kept corrupting your hard drive and necessitated phoning MS because it wrongly identified itself as an illegal copy; it’s pretty hard to forgive.

    I accept that win 7 is not perfect but I have been running it for nearly 3 years now and it has not crashed once and stability is my number one requirement for an OS.


  68. Thanks so much for this. I was more than happy to give a link to this website on my youtube channel, 2008WindowsVista. This article explains so much that I never could, telling just how awful Windows 7 is. Thanks again for this.
    2008WindowsVista


  69. BY THE TIMES YOU GAVE WRONG WINDOWS DRIVERS AND TURNING OFF UAC AND NOT UPDATING ANTIVIRUS SOFTWARE


  70. @mike
    1-you can customize vista but there are no themes in microsoft website and it’s more customizable than 7
    2-that’s not an upgrade
    3-alot of people are used to quck launch and the new task bar is some what buggy and if you read the article he will tell you that the task bar is not an upgrade
    4-no one uses this without downloading media codecs
    5-when it’s corrupted you will have to insert your installation disk and choose the repaire option
    6-they minimized the UAC in 7 ut this resulted in more malware
    yes vista destroy the hardware IF YOU DON’T HAVE SP1 AT LEAST
    7-and??


  71. as a microsoft life time user i do like windows 7 look and feel the best conpaired to alll other Ms o/s i mean it is quite simple to use after a few mods you need to make!

    i believe was vista come out it was over produced and there for the technology at the time wasn’t ready for the market
    when i got vista i was quite happy with it and felt little to no lag because i had 6GB of ram in my PC in 2006 and i haven’t upgraded since!
    my only complained about the hole windows OS is the fact is microsoft is not going with user opinion they are going in to a tablet market trying to get rid of the PC all together! this is clear in windows 8! windows 7 is the true last Microsoft desktop experience… this is sad but true!
    i believe the PC grants to much power to the common man with information at are finger tips the people in control realize this after the facts have past so they want to switch the methods now from here on out and the future beyond…


  72. I never gave reason to what people said.


  73. I’m no tech expert but I’ve been using Vista for years now. Ever since I got my laptop, actually. Over time I’ve seen my friends get windows 7 and 8, and they’ve all complained about the horridly annoying things that happen to them. It’s good seeing an article like this prove that Vista isn’t as bad as people think. Not to mention proving that windows 7 is terrible.


  74. This blog was… how do you say it? Relevant!! Finally I’ve
    found something that helped me. Appreciate it!


  75. The solution is simple.

    Just quit using MickeySloth WinBlows and you’ll be freed from your life of damnation and dispair.


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  77. Here’s another problem they still haven’t fixed, the Safely Remove Hardware. It doesn’t work either in Vista or 7. It makes me wonder who’s giving the green light for these OS’s to be release and what’s the purpose.

    By the way, Windows 98 and XP went thru the same problems in the beginning but they were fixed with either a Second Edition or Service Packs that came later. Personally, I would like to see a Second Edition instead of the half baked Service Packs. But anyway, the point is that Microsoft is purposely sabotaging their product.


  78. Hey.
    Vista and 7 it’s almost the same core, so what can be changed ? Apart some tweaks and SSD support (which can be done via programs on Vista) it’s all the same. And what I see it that even on my hardware which shoudn’t be compatibile with vista (I have my really moded and heavily tweaked version on i5 4670k and GTX 770) is faster or about the same with Seven. It’s really weird. Only Win8 is sometime faster than Vista.


  79. Agreed with this article 100%, people look at me like I’m crazy for using Vista SP2 over Win7. But all I see in Windows 7 is weird changes that make things more difficult, the lack of many features, and additional bugs and issues. The problem however is support, Vista is only 3 years away from being dropped from all support and updates. One thing I did find though is that Windows Server 2008 , both R1 and R2 will be on extended support until 2020. It uses the same kernel as Vista and can have almost all the features enabled. Both use NT 6002, so I’m assuming Server 2008 updates could be used under Vista? Even so, I doubt compatibility will be helped at all from that. There are already software vendors out there that support Windows XP and Windows 7, yet completely skip out on Vista. Why? Is what raises the question of the day. So just wondering what you’ll be doing after support ends. Must be some way to clamp onto it after support, I’ve seen people running Windows 2000 with new programs and hardware. So going down the road of unofficial support, there must be a way…..
    Anyways great article, pointed out a lot of good view points about the matter.


  80. Here’s my recent experience with “rediscovering” Vista. I have a Gateway GT5656, which came with Vista Home Premium. I never updated it, because I was never online with it. After a while, I upgraded to W7 Home Premium, which I figured was the logical thing to do, in light of all the bad press Vista had gotten. Just recently I installed a new hard drive, and after installing the Vista disk that came with the computer, I decided to check out Vista a bit before upgrading with my W7 upgrade disk. I went all the way and now have SP2, fully updated. Now I am blown away by this OS. It seems like Vista is actually the newer OS, rather than seven. I had a lot of problems with seven, from frequent Display Driver Failures (how irritating is that?), occasional Blue Screens, and general lackluster performance. Plus, it’s ugly, compared to Vista. I am cursing myself for having bought that W7 upgrade disk. To make it even worse, I had to take it to Best Buy to install the 64 bit version, as the installation disk was defective. Not Microsoft’s fault, but it just added to the overall frustration I’ve had with W7. Maybe if I had bought Pro, things would have been different (I stayed with Home Premium). So now, I am looking forward to at least 3 years with this wonderful OS. I’m hoping that somehow it can go longer than that. Maybe someone will figure out a way to keep it safe. Are you listening, Kaspersky?


  81. Another comment, Vista looks cool, unlike 7. 8 is even worse! As a Linux fan, I use KDE mainly, and it can be themed to look like Vista or 7.


  82. vista supports pentium 4 processors while 7 can’t , making vista a better choice for those who use old hardware


  83. and 7 also doesn’t support XPDM chipsets


  84. Finally a good article that isn’t biased about Vista. Personally I believed for other people who said Vista is bad and I used XP then switched to Win7. But I have a netbook and just for fun I installed Vista (I run a lot of virtual machines), because when I was a kid I liked the Vista’s appearance and always changed XP to look like Vista. I was surprised how fast it was. Win7 is slow on that old netbook but Vista was powerful and fast. It used only 200-300mb instead of win7’s 800mb. I loved wmp 11 on XP and Vista’s photo gallery and wmp 11 were better than Win7’s. Sadly I gave the netbook to friends and they run Win7 on it.
    Also Win7 has a serious error with the explorer. Sometimes it just loading the bottom green bar and nothing happens. And you have to close the windows and reopen to be able to see what’s inside it. My old laptop HDD died – service couldn’t fix it, but luckily I could – so it could have been I/O error you say BUT… Win7 does it on ALL computers/netbooks/laptops I have/had. It’s win7’s fault along with the non-refreshing windows.
    Thanks for the article it was good to read!


  85. Hello

    After many years, I am using Windows Vista (SP2).
    With the reasons which you said I didn’t used Vista for years (XP or Windows 7.)

    Windows Vista with SP2 is very good. I found your site while searching google about this situaiton (windows vista (SP2) vs. Windows 7)

    Excuse me, if my english is not enough good.

    Good days.


  86. I prefer Linux however I do admit to using Windows 7 as my primary os. Honestly we are asking the wrong kind of questions, there really isn’t any difference between Vista, 7, 8 or the up coming 9.

    Their all the same effin code base with tweaks, the major difference is actually 8 and up. As Microsoft seems more committed to pushing everything into the cloud and is obsessed with tablets. But otherwise same ass technology no real change in functional features and over all look.

    With that said “YES” I do believe Vista deserves more credit. It is an interesting conundrum, it was at the height of its inception the bridge between old and new. They might have dumped out substantial useless features but they also brought in a boat load of security patches and fixes not prevalent in either 7 or 8. Even though most claim 8 to be fast and better secured.

    What I didn’t like about Vista was probably Microsoft’s strange tactic to add DX10.1 what we should have seen was DX11 straight up but they decided to screw people over. And also helped gpu developers to cannibalize gamers. Many years today no one is even using DX 10.1 no one even used it to make use of any major features other DX10 itself.

    Now Microsoft is doing the same in the way of Windows 8/8.1 by introducing DX11.1, in many ways Window 8 is the Vista of the next generation.


  87. @Smelly Actually, with the platform update, Vista got DirectX 11, as well as some back ported features from Windows 7.


  88. @Mike You are wrong in many ways. Allow me to correct you.
    1. Vista has dream scene which is much more visually appealing, however it is a bit CPU intensive, but if you have a high-end PC it works just fine, and you can download 3rd party software to emulate the Windows 7 Slideshow background feature. Can’t add downloads to start menu? of course you can, ever heard of “Pin to start menu”?
    2. The network status icon in Vista is not pathetic. The globe lets the user know when you are connected to the internet, and a red X appears when you are disconnected, which is easy to understand. Also if you’re connected to WiFi, you can hover over the icon and it will give you wireless strength at a glance. Windows XP doesn’t do this. Also you can turn on an activity animation which will show whether you’re downloading something or a website is being loaded, and the animation will stop when it is complete. This is useful when I am waiting on something to finish downloading in the background when doing something else. And guess what? Your precious “improved” Windows 7 doesn’t do this. Vista allows you to customize the icons too, it may not be as convenient as 7’s dragging them into a box, but go into taskbar/start menu properties and you can customize how you want them displayed. Action Center is the same thing as Security Center in Vista, it just looks different visually. It still serves the same purpose.
    3. I use quick launch and the 20ish% of people that still use XP use it too I’m sure. And like your claimed “superior” pin to task bar method works any better? You can fill up your task bar with icons and make it look like a hot mess just as easily, and they copied this from OS X anyways. And if you have several windows of the same application open, it takes longer to select the one you want because they show those stupid huge ass thumbnails and you have to go and find the one you want, whereas in Vista you can just instantly click the one you want. And if theres a lot of them open and they combine into one task bar button, you can then just click the one you want from the list- it’s not that hard.
    4. Just your opinion. Windows Media Player 11 is just fine, install K-Lite Codec Pack and you’ll be set. I use it and have zero problems with it. However I like VLC more, I just don’t understand how WMP “sucks”.
    5. Are you kidding me? I’ve been able to successfully recover tons of Vista systems, just go into safe mode and do a system restore for christ’s sakes. It ain’t rocket science. And about the Updates failing, that’s just BS. The platform update for 7 was complete shit, it installs core schedulers into 7 that aren’t compatible with it, resulting in degraded performance. Also one of my friends on Facebook posted a video of after installing updates on their 7 system, it completely fucked it over- and I’m talking about even the ‘Windows 7 Professional’ logo on the login screen even disappeared- 7 updates seem to be dodgy since MS is focusing more on their precious 8.1. I’ve brought Vista fully up to date as of September 2014, and not a single problem. So we can throw that shit out the window.
    6. Go on the MSFN forum and look around, someone on there found that Vista was actually more secure than 7 because of the UAC. It will notify you if something tries running in the background without your knowledge, and in 7 if you set it too low things can run in the background, like Malware or spyware, and so it makes your system less secure. Also if you look at the infection rates for Windows, Vista has a much lower infection rate than 7 and even 8. I don’t understand, UAC doesn’t slow down productivity at all for me. All you do is click “Continue”. If you’re that lazy you shouldn’t be using a computer.
    7. Vista was fine to begin with. It was lazy hardware vendors that didn’t write drivers for it correctly, they waited until it was too late, which resulted in tons of problems. This isn’t the fault of Vista, they had 5 years to do it in. And they put Vista on the shittiest hardware they could find. They installed it on single core semprons and celerons with 512 MB of RAM- and you can try running any MS OS on its minimum requirements and it will always run slow. Sadly the thing about support is correct.

    Vista RTM is the one that caused hard drive churning. Vista SP1 fixed that issue. Again, Vista RTM. The problem was caused because the defragmenter was enabled by default, and so it constantly defragged the hard drive, which is what killed it, which is probably why you’ve had destroyed machines with Vista. However with SP1, everything was fixed there. Why do you think the article states that Vista (SP1+) is better than 7?
    Vista will end processes just like Windows 7 does. It does exactly what I want it to, and never locks up if you have it on good hardware and with good drivers. SP2 is also a plus.
    Vista was not a half assed OS at all. It paved the way for new compatibility and it pushed OEMs to make higher end machines. Once everyone got rid of their 2002 XP era hardware Vista was just fine. In fact, Vista was necessary for Windows 7’s success. If Vista weren’t released and it were just 7, you’d be hearing a lot of “Oh I hate Windows 7 because nothing works and its so slow”. Like I said Vista pushed OEMs to make better hardware, and by the time SP1 hit, if you were avoiding Vista, you were cheating yourself of a great user experience. Sadly by the time SP1 got here Vista had such a bad rep that no one wanted it, and it wasn’t Vista’s fault, moreso the fault of the hardware vendors that installed it on cheap hardware and with cheap drivers. If they made better drivers for it in the first place and MS forced them to install it on at least 1 GB of RAM and with a decent amount of hardware space with a dual core processor, Vista probably would’ve succeeded. But there’s still the problem of some legacy apps not working however updates came in and took care of quite a bit of those issues, but if they still won’t work with Vista, they won’t work with 7.
    The only thing pathetic I see here is how you are overlooking these things. After hardware vendors got their act together, Vista was a worthy successor to XP. Improved security, improved networking, more management/deployment tools, integrated search throughout the system, better graphics and tons more. there’s probably too many to even make a complete list.


  89. i love vista it make working and playing easy


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